"Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box (Fortec
> Star Beta)
> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or arabsat
> he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store the
> satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search for
> another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored, it
> wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>
> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up near
> the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range one way
> not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed this out
> twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing dont get me
> wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and wont go further.
>
> HELP ! Please
>
I think I have sorted this now. I have manually moved the dish thismorning
using the receiver box and remote and found Hotbird. Yesterday no matter
what satellite I wanted the dish seemed to do it itself. Anyway I have just
found Astra and the channels are now popping up.

I appreciate I should maybe have gone for another dish but this was £79 with
everything.

Can you tell me how to set the dish so it doesnt hit the guttering and also
please, when I press SAT on the remote and say for instance switch between
Astra and Hptbird I get the message INFO POSITIONER SETTINGS and it wont
switch betwen the two.

Thanks again for all your invaluable help

In article <54vro7F21q7k4U1@mid.individual.net>,
Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:

> "Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:54roejF21eeotU1@mid.individual.net...

> Can you tell me how to set the dish so it doesnt hit the guttering and also
> please, when I press SAT on the remote and say for instance switch between
> Astra and Hptbird I get the message INFO POSITIONER SETTINGS and it wont
> switch betwen the two.

I guess, (just picked this up on uploading), that this
means your box may not have the information to allow
it to send your dish to the correct position for each
satellite.

If you have USALS onboard, look for the menu that allows
you to set in your latitude and longitude.

You get your latitude and longitude from somewhere like

http://www.multimap.com

by putting in something like your postcode...

After you have entered your latitude and longitude you will
then be able to tell the box the position of the satellites
you want - such as 13E for Hotbird, 28.2/28.5E for Astra etc.

To get these positions, (such as 13E etc), use

http://www.lyngsat.com

-they're all there in the Europe section


> Thanks again for all your invaluable help

Hopefully it will all get sorted soon..! )


Bill ZFC

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"Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:54roejF21eeotU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box (Fortec
>> Star Beta)
>> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or arabsat
>> he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store the
>> satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search for
>> another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored, it
>> wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>>
>> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up near
>> the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range one way
>> not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed this out
>> twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing dont get me
>> wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and wont go further.
>>
>> HELP ! Please
>>
> I think I have sorted this now. I have manually moved the dish thismorning
> using the receiver box and remote and found Hotbird. Yesterday no matter
> what satellite I wanted the dish seemed to do it itself. Anyway I have
> just found Astra and the channels are now popping up.
>
> I appreciate I should maybe have gone for another dish but this was £79
> with everything.
>
> Can you tell me how to set the dish so it doesnt hit the guttering and
> also please, when I press SAT on the remote and say for instance switch
> between Astra and Hptbird I get the message INFO POSITIONER SETTINGS and
> it wont switch betwen the two.
>
> Thanks again for all your invaluable help
>
In the Antena Set up of the receiver (Fortec Star ultimate) I have a list of
satellites

Hotbird
Astra
Hispasat 1ab
Arabsat
etc
Do I have to set dish limits on every single one of these or just the once
as they all have their own settings?
I can now get hotbird and astra but yesterday i got Hispasat and now I
cannot get it The dish doesnt seem to be movins its as if it is locked.

"Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:54roejF21eeotU1@mid.individual.net...
> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box (Fortec
> Star Beta)
> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or arabsat
> he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store the
> satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search for
> another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored, it
> wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>
> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up near
> the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range one way
> not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed this out
> twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing dont get me
> wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and wont go further.
>
> HELP ! Please
>
When I lived in Spain our satellite supplier was Via Digital. I wonder if I
could get this on my set up and if so where?

In article <5504j9F239367U1@mid.individual.net>,
Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:

> > HELP ! Please

!! )

> When I lived in Spain our satellite supplier was Via Digital.
> I wonder if I
> could get this on my set up and if so where?

Yes!

...at 30W on Hispasat:

Presently transmitting to my dish from via Digital (FTA)
are Andalucia TV, TMSat/La Otra, TVC Int., TV Galicia and
TV Euskadi with TV Canaria and EHS not presently showing
(but might be transmitting subscriber only proggies)...

Presently being received here at a 92pc signal strength
and with a quality of 67/70pc ..ie perfectly acceptable.

Read earlier contributions and bits will be revealed! )

Look at:

hhtp://www.lyngsat.com/

...and then look for the European satellites.

Lyngsat has most every satellite known to the beasts of
the earth - even the individual transponders from which
channels should be transmitting.

The Lyngsat Oracle will reveal to you wonderful information
about the heavenly position of each satellite with a number,
followed by the letter W for West of due South, or E for
East of due South. )

...and glad it's beginning to come together for you, Pat!

)

Bill ZFC

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"Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com> wrote in message
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> In article <5504j9F239367U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> > HELP ! Please
>
> !! )
>
>> When I lived in Spain our satellite supplier was Via Digital.
>> I wonder if I
>> could get this on my set up and if so where?
>
> Yes!
>
> ..at 30W on Hispasat:
>
> Presently transmitting to my dish from via Digital (FTA)
> are Andalucia TV, TMSat/La Otra, TVC Int., TV Galicia and
> TV Euskadi with TV Canaria and EHS not presently showing
> (but might be transmitting subscriber only proggies)...
>
> Presently being received here at a 92pc signal strength
> and with a quality of 67/70pc ..ie perfectly acceptable.
>
> Read earlier contributions and bits will be revealed! )
>
> Look at:
>
> hhtp://www.lyngsat.com/
>
> ..and then look for the European satellites.
>
> Lyngsat has most every satellite known to the beasts of
> the earth - even the individual transponders from which
> channels should be transmitting.
>
> The Lyngsat Oracle will reveal to you wonderful information
> about the heavenly position of each satellite with a number,
> followed by the letter W for West of due South, or E for
> East of due South. )
>
> ..and glad it's beginning to come together for you, Pat!
>
> )
>
> Bill ZFC
>
> --
> Adoption InterLink UK with -=- http://www.billsimpson.com/
> Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/
I couldnt have done i without you al and especially you Bill, you have been
great.

I really do hope you all dont mind all the questions. I am very new to this
and its like learning a foreign language.
The only problem I am having is how to store the satellite.
I can find Hotbird and Astra etc and see all he tv stations, but sometimes
when I select SAT on the remote and go from astra to hotbird for instance,
hotbird isnt there and i get the no signal message or INFO Positioner
Setting ! meggage and it doesnt find the satellite.

Here are the options when finding a satellite
LNB Type Universal
DiSWqC Tone A
LNB Power On
Positioner Setting 1.2


It does have USALS Bill here is the options to that too

Satellite Position 13.0E
My longitude 3.2W
My latitude 53.5N
Reference Position
Move 17.6E
Store

I have looked at the manual and on another forum soneone else has said how
bad it is and the sheer lack of info on it.
I am really struggling to be able to switch from Astra or Hispasat to
Hotbird without going into the settings and actually manually finding it all
over again. If I am on Astra and select SAT then HOTBIRD I get the message
INFO Positioner Setting ! I can leave it 5 mins and still nothing THEN when
I go to SAT and ASTRA it finds it immediately as if its already on it which
it probably is

Thanks again Sorry to be a real pain

"Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com> wrote in message
news:4ebe614719adopt@billsimpson.com...
> In article <5504j9F239367U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> > HELP ! Please
>
> !! )
>
>> When I lived in Spain our satellite supplier was Via Digital.
>> I wonder if I
>> could get this on my set up and if so where?
>
> Yes!
>
> ..at 30W on Hispasat:
>
> Presently transmitting to my dish from via Digital (FTA)
> are Andalucia TV, TMSat/La Otra, TVC Int., TV Galicia and
> TV Euskadi with TV Canaria and EHS not presently showing
> (but might be transmitting subscriber only proggies)...
>
> Presently being received here at a 92pc signal strength
> and with a quality of 67/70pc ..ie perfectly acceptable.
>
> Read earlier contributions and bits will be revealed! )
>
> Look at:
>
> hhtp://www.lyngsat.com/
>
> ..and then look for the European satellites.
>
> Lyngsat has most every satellite known to the beasts of
> the earth - even the individual transponders from which
> channels should be transmitting.
>
> The Lyngsat Oracle will reveal to you wonderful information
> about the heavenly position of each satellite with a number,
> followed by the letter W for West of due South, or E for
> East of due South. )
>
> ..and glad it's beginning to come together for you, Pat!
>
> )
>
> Bill ZFC
>
> --
> Adoption InterLink UK with -=- http://www.billsimpson.com/
> Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/

My coordinates are

Lat:
53:52:13N (53.8703)
Lon:
3:02:22W (-3.0393)
Which bits do I enter in when using USALS. The fists number or the ones in
brackets. It only alows me to enter a few digits

"Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:54roejF21eeotU1@mid.individual.net...
> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box (Fortec
> Star Beta)
> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or arabsat
> he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store the
> satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search for
> another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored, it
> wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>
> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up near
> the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range one way
> not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed this out
> twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing dont get me
> wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and wont go further.
>
> HELP ! Please
>
On the possibility I have another faulty receiver from maplins. What do you
lot use?

In article <550lvqF1rqjkuU1@mid.individual.net>,
Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi Pat.. )

Just got back.. will attempt to answer this first
- anything later might just be my nose bouncing off
the keyboard in time to the snores! )

> My coordinates are

> Lat:
> 53:52:13N (53.8703)
> Lon:
> 3:02:22W (-3.0393)
> Which bits do I enter in when using USALS. The fists number or the ones in
> brackets. It only alows me to enter a few digits


I think, not knowing which box you now have, that
the digits you will need to enter will be the ones
in your brackets..

So that will be 53.87N (or 53.8N or 53.9N if you
can only enter to one decimal place.

The westerly one is similarly entered as either
3.04W or perhaps -3.0....

The minus is important as that denotes a westerly
direction of longitude. East is positive (+) and
west is negative (-)...

I'm at a +0.9 longitude - or at least the outside
of the kitchen wall, where the dish is mounted,
happens to be.. )


I might be answering your immediately prior article
here, but there is another thing that you can check...


Make sure that your box is not switched into
DiSEqC 1.2 as it's main positioner.

This means you are attempting to use the onboard
D-igital S-atellite E-quipment C-ontroller to move
your dish - and this can only be done after a lot
of work with calculators, declination and inclination
angles, testing the wind and a few magical words, for
each and every satellite you might wish to receive.

DiSEqC is a viable if now somewhat old-fashioned
method of doing it in these enlightened days. I'm
not sure I would even know how - although I'm told
that a large wad of chewing-gum (or blu-tack) and
a long length of string is an advantage -as is a
rich 'French' vocabulary ..oh.. and a degree in
mathematics... ;'))

So, make sure that your box is actually switched into
it's USALS menu ..ie that any 'positioner messages'
will come up as "USALS" or somesuch, /not/ as "1.2"

This tells your box that it is now in control of the
dish - not the motor! It will tell the motor where
to go ..usually to within 1/10th of a degree if it's
the Metronics dish wobbler..

I don't know which box you have ..but the menus
should make this USALS section fairly clear. You
may need to both select USALS - and to confirm that
selection before the box sets itself into the USALS
mode. Once in USALS it shouldn't ever drop out
again, even when switched off totally and restarted
from a 'boot' - unless you wish it to...

It might be that ensuring that you are in USALS is
all you need to do - apart from finding which satellite
is placed where in the heavens above you.. )

You will have to program each satellite into the box
by putting in and storing it's position - although
you may find that your own reference latitude and
longitude, having been put in once, will not need
to be entered again. These may appear automatically,
each time you start up and enter a 'new' satellite..

Anyway, once you have stored that satellite position,
then try asking the box to find the 'new' satellite
and to load up the channels - just as you have done
for both the Hotbirds and Astras...

Now ..if this makes sense ..let's see what happens!

Hopefully you'll find yourself making plenty of coffee
and munching lots of biccies whilst all the channels
are pouring in )

hh... )

Bill ZFC...

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In article <550jdvF22snt9U1@mid.individual.net>,
Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:


> I couldnt have done i without you al and especially you Bill, you have been
> great.

Why, thank you Pat! I'm sure it will all come together
very soon... )

> I really do hope you all dont mind all the questions. I am very new to this
> and its like learning a foreign language.

'tis a bit, innit.. )

OK.. just arrived here having wrapped another answer to
you about ensuring your box is in USALS mode and not
DiSEqC 1.2.. You'll know, or will see, what I mean when
you get to that reply.. )

> The only problem I am having is how to store the satellite.
> I can find Hotbird and Astra etc and see all he tv stations, but sometimes
> when I select SAT on the remote and go from astra to hotbird for instance,
> hotbird isnt there and i get the no signal message or INFO Positioner
> Setting ! meggage and it doesnt find the satellite.

> Here are the options when finding a satellite
> LNB Type Universal
> DiSWqC Tone A
> LNB Power On
> Positioner Setting 1.2

Yup.. all OK, /except/ the "1.2". If that is all you
have (or can find) try using any arrow keys that you
have to change the "1.2" to "USALS".

By the way, if you let us all know which box you now have
- someone may know better where your USALS menu is hiding...

> It does have USALS Bill here is the options to that too

> Satellite Position 13.0E
> My longitude 3.2W
> My latitude 53.5N
> Reference Position
> Move 17.6E
> Store

OK.. make sure that you have 'stored' the positions and
that your box is in USALS mode... )

> I have looked at the manual and on another forum soneone else has said how
> bad it is and the sheer lack of info on it.
> I am really struggling to be able to switch from Astra or Hispasat to
> Hotbird without going into the settings and actually manually finding it all
> over again. If I am on Astra and select SAT then HOTBIRD I get the message
> INFO Positioner Setting ! I can leave it 5 mins and still nothing THEN when
> I go to SAT and ASTRA it finds it immediately as if its already on it which
> it probably is

Um.. my LiDL (COMAG) box can sometimes take ages to settle
down once in position after a satellite change. The dish
moves fairly slowly if precisely with the Metronics motor,
but the box then takes a few more seconds or more to retune
itself to the new satellite, even though all the channels
are already stored. It seems to 'hunt' for the best
position/reception...

One think I don't do is attempt to 'force' the issue by
pressing "exit" or somesuch. Might be uneccessary, but
I'm a little wary of the box and motor momentarily losing
or forgetting where they are.

Sometimes I can locate a satellite - and find there's nothing
there. Everything is apparently 'dead'. What I do then,
(discovered by the time-honoured method of trial and error),
is to move forward or back to another satellite - and then
reselect one of the dead sat's channels again. The box, the
motor and the dish usually find them second time around!

...or occasionally that channel really is dead!

hh )

Bill ZFC

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