"Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com> wrote in message
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> In article <553omuF22e9m5U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
>> news:54roejF21eeotU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box
>> > (Fortec
>> > Star Beta)
>
> hmm.. just realised this. 'Beta', you say..?
> A still to be sorted test box..? hmmmmm!
>
> Perhaps Technomate (or LiDL if available)
> might have been a better box option!
> Technomate will certainly come to your rescue,
> should you finally decide to throw in the
> Fortec beta towel.. )
>
>> I have a man coming out Thursday Bill to see if its set correctly.
>
>> I am doing a USALS search on hotbird and it only finds 3 channels. when
>> they load i still get the message INFO POSITIONER SETTING !
>
> I'm still guessing that it's either a DiSEqC 1.2 error
> and control message ..or:
>
> ..that your box is asking you which of the two, DiSEqC
> or USALS positioner settings, do you wish to choose.
>
> Look in your menus for something that allows you to
> choose, once and for all !!! the USAL settings.. )
>
>
>
>> I havent a clue what it means neither dod Fortec when i called them
>> today. I
>> have had to email Saudi to get help,,,,,,watch this space lol
>
> ..hehehe..! It's all a conspiracy, that's wot it is!
> The boxes are revolting agin us ..they're sick of being
> attacked with screwdrivers and sledgehammers!
>
> ..or else they're just waiting for you to pick a sweet
> innocent dish installer to offer up as a sacrifice.. )
>
> Just picked this note up, btw, Pat ..having just posted
> a couple of notes (one long) that might be a help to you
> ..(and to a few others as well)!
>
> Once you're on to Hotbird (or whatever), even if you have
> to motor there in DiSEqC, you should still be able to
> catch all the channels available on that group of satellites
> ... hundreds of them at the last count... )
>
> Look at your box, straight between it's LEDs - and
> seriously threaten to pull it fuse! See if that has
> any affect.. ;'))
>
> Anyway ..no doubt the saga will continue ..you are close
> to having it all sorted )
>
> Bill ZFC
>
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The Fortec beta was faulty. I am onto another forum sie where one chap had
exaclty the same problems as me.he took his back.

I have exchanged the beta for a Fortec (glutton for puishment) Star
Ultimate. This has a hdd option.

Still no joy.

Just searched MANUALLY Hotbird. I got 3 channels. Then again got 500 then
11. you get the picture LOL

Its going to maplins !

"Pat" <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box (Fortec
> Star Beta)
> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or arabsat
> he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store the
> satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search for
> another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored, it
> wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>
> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up near
> the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range one way
> not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed this out
> twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing dont get me
> wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and wont go further.
>
> HELP ! Please
>

I havent a clue if this will work also I dont know if you will be able to
tell from the pictures but here they are

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7224344@N03/?saved=1

Pat wrote:
> "TriJan" <trijan@trijan.com> wrote in message
> news:45ea9691$1_2@x-privat.org...
>> Pat wrote:
>>> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box (Fortec
>>> Star Beta)
>>> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or arabsat
>>> he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store the
>>> satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search for
>>> another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored, it
>>> wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>>>
>>> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up near
>>> the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range one way
>>> not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed this out
>>> twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing dont get me
>>> wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and wont go further.
>>>
>>> HELP ! Please
>> Your satellite man is a prick, total cowboy.
>>
>> Trij
> Well I may go down this route now as I canot seem to set this motor up.
> How easy are they to install. If I want for instance 10 satellites,
> obviously all the LNB's will be pointing in different directions? How
> difficult is it to set up

You'll want the bigger dish. It's easy to set-up, but having read your
stories, maybe you should get some help!
You can only get sats up to 40 degrees apart.

trij

"TriJan" <trijan@trijan.com> wrote in message
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> Pat wrote:
>> "TriJan" <trijan@trijan.com> wrote in message
>> news:45ea9691$1_2@x-privat.org...
>>> Pat wrote:
>>>> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box
>>>> (Fortec Star Beta)
>>>> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or
>>>> arabsat he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store
>>>> the satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search
>>>> for another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored,
>>>> it wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up
>>>> near the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range
>>>> one way not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed
>>>> this out twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing
>>>> dont get me wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and
>>>> wont go further.
>>>>
>>>> HELP ! Please
>>> Your satellite man is a prick, total cowboy.
>>>
>>> Trij
>> Well I may go down this route now as I canot seem to set this motor up.
>> How easy are they to install. If I want for instance 10 satellites,
>> obviously all the LNB's will be pointing in different directions? How
>> difficult is it to set up
>
> You'll want the bigger dish. It's easy to set-up, but having read your
> stories, maybe you should get some help!
> You can only get sats up to 40 degrees apart.
>
> trij

LOL

HEY !!!!!!

What are you trying to say lololol

"TriJan" <trijan@trijan.com> wrote in message
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> Pat wrote:
>> "TriJan" <trijan@trijan.com> wrote in message
>> news:45ea9691$1_2@x-privat.org...
>>> Pat wrote:
>>>> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box
>>>> (Fortec Star Beta)
>>>> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or
>>>> arabsat he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store
>>>> the satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search
>>>> for another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored,
>>>> it wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up
>>>> near the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range
>>>> one way not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed
>>>> this out twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing
>>>> dont get me wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and
>>>> wont go further.
>>>>
>>>> HELP ! Please
>>> Your satellite man is a prick, total cowboy.
>>>
>>> Trij
>> Well I may go down this route now as I canot seem to set this motor up.
>> How easy are they to install. If I want for instance 10 satellites,
>> obviously all the LNB's will be pointing in different directions? How
>> difficult is it to set up
>
> You'll want the bigger dish. It's easy to set-up, but having read your
> stories, maybe you should get some help!
> You can only get sats up to 40 degrees apart.
>
> trij

Been speaking to someone else on another forum who has the same problems as
me. He took his FS Ultimate back to maplins for the same reason. As he was
leaving the store an Asian guy was too taking his back complaining it didnt
work.
I have followed instructions given and still no joy. I think the box is
faulty although Maplins disagree. I take your point though about the help
thing is here. If its ot a standard SKY dish nobody wants to know

Thanks for the help

In article <5552seF23gcp5U1@mid.individual.net>,
Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:

(re piccies):
> I havent a clue if this will work also I dont know if you will be able to
> tell from the pictures but here they are

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7224344@N03/?saved=1

Piccies look fine! Better than I can do with camera
phone (cheap one)!

The angle of the rotor arm on which the dish is secured
looks fairly normal: To check, (if it's necessary):

1. The mount...

That the vertical part of the mount, that's the
bent-up bit onto which the motor and motor chassis
is bolted, is absolutely perpendicular. )

If it's not then, as said previously, you will have
all sorts of probs.


2. The motor's chassis/steel holder...

Check that the angle of this is NOT set to the
inclination angle of the dish.. (this is pressed
into the chassis on the right hand side looking
from the rear).

Check that it is set to your latitude at just about
54N. On my similar motor chassis, the latitude markings
are pressed into the metal on the left hand side of the
motor's mount, looking from the rear.

ie.. the side of the motor that my piccie magnifier
(old eyeballs) ) you have in piccies 8 and 9 - the
bottom row of your excellent pics.

If your installer has bolted the dish inclination on
the motor's chassis rather than your latitude, then
I suppose the rotor arm could be quite a bit out, as
it swings from horizon to horizon. On the other hand,
you are getting some things - so I guess it's OK!

Difficult to tell, but it looks about right!


3. Set the dish inclination, if possible, by it's own
protractor - usually pressed in somewhere close to the
dish itself. My piccie magnifier seems shows this as
the curved slot on the bolt just next to the dish itself.

However...

The dish does seem correctly mounted, or at least pointing
almost horizontally - which, for an offset dish at our
latitudes is correct. (The dish only points vertically
into the sky at or near the equator).


4. True South...

Remember that the dish, the rotor arm and the motor are
only lined up together when the whole assembly is pointing
to True South.

Once the motor has moved the dish to a satellite position,
then not only will the dish swivel, but the angle of the
rotor arm will make it seem to twist - almost onto it's
side at the far edges. This is quite normal. It is this
twist that automatically gives your LNB it's skew angles.


So, possibly it is indeed the box and not necessarily the installer,
but I guess your knowledgeable helper arriving on Thursday can also
have a quick check of these things for you.

Pat ..as I said, don't get too disheartened ..keep laughing! We've
all been here ..and cryed buckets into the bargain, (and I'll bet Walt
has as well!) - and in my case also scared the local moggies with a
stream of expletives...!

)

Bill ZFC
e&oe ...of course! )

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"Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com> wrote in message
news:4ebf6d4458adopt@billsimpson.com...
> In article <5552seF23gcp5U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> (re piccies):
>> I havent a clue if this will work also I dont know if you will be able to
>> tell from the pictures but here they are
>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/7224344@N03/?saved=1
>
> Piccies look fine! Better than I can do with camera
> phone (cheap one)!
>
> The angle of the rotor arm on which the dish is secured
> looks fairly normal: To check, (if it's necessary):
>
> 1. The mount...
>
> That the vertical part of the mount, that's the
> bent-up bit onto which the motor and motor chassis
> is bolted, is absolutely perpendicular. )
>
> If it's not then, as said previously, you will have
> all sorts of probs.
>
>
> 2. The motor's chassis/steel holder...
>
> Check that the angle of this is NOT set to the
> inclination angle of the dish.. (this is pressed
> into the chassis on the right hand side looking
> from the rear).
>
> Check that it is set to your latitude at just about
> 54N. On my similar motor chassis, the latitude markings
> are pressed into the metal on the left hand side of the
> motor's mount, looking from the rear.
>
> ie.. the side of the motor that my piccie magnifier
> (old eyeballs) ) you have in piccies 8 and 9 - the
> bottom row of your excellent pics.
>
> If your installer has bolted the dish inclination on
> the motor's chassis rather than your latitude, then
> I suppose the rotor arm could be quite a bit out, as
> it swings from horizon to horizon. On the other hand,
> you are getting some things - so I guess it's OK!
>
> Difficult to tell, but it looks about right!
>
>
> 3. Set the dish inclination, if possible, by it's own
> protractor - usually pressed in somewhere close to the
> dish itself. My piccie magnifier seems shows this as
> the curved slot on the bolt just next to the dish itself.
>
> However...
>
> The dish does seem correctly mounted, or at least pointing
> almost horizontally - which, for an offset dish at our
> latitudes is correct. (The dish only points vertically
> into the sky at or near the equator).
>
>
> 4. True South...
>
> Remember that the dish, the rotor arm and the motor are
> only lined up together when the whole assembly is pointing
> to True South.
>
> Once the motor has moved the dish to a satellite position,
> then not only will the dish swivel, but the angle of the
> rotor arm will make it seem to twist - almost onto it's
> side at the far edges. This is quite normal. It is this
> twist that automatically gives your LNB it's skew angles.
>
>
> So, possibly it is indeed the box and not necessarily the installer,
> but I guess your knowledgeable helper arriving on Thursday can also
> have a quick check of these things for you.
>
> Pat ..as I said, don't get too disheartened ..keep laughing! We've
> all been here ..and cryed buckets into the bargain, (and I'll bet Walt
> has as well!) - and in my case also scared the local moggies with a
> stream of expletives...!
>
> )
>
> Bill ZFC
> e&oe ...of course! )
>
> --
> Adoption InterLink UK with -=- http://www.billsimpson.com/
> Domain Host Orpheus Internet -=- http://www.orpheusinternet.co.uk/

Chaps comes Thursday will let you know what he said.

Been to craplins and he swapped the box for a ZAPBOX twin made by Metronix

Cant get that to work either !

Ahh well. Its all good fun, not

In article <555blkF23nt8vU1@mid.individual.net>, Pat
<psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> writes
>
>"TriJan" <trijan@trijan.com> wrote in message
>news:45ed7422_2@x-privat.org...
>> Pat wrote:
>>> "TriJan" <trijan@trijan.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45ea9691$1_2@x-privat.org...
>>>> Pat wrote:
>>>>> Had the satellite man over today. He said I may have a faulty box
>>>>> (Fortec Star Beta)
>>>>> I can get hotbird and astra 1, no problem. Cannot get turksat or
>>>>> arabsat he said I couldnt in the UK. BUT and here is the thing. I store
>>>>> the satellites and can flick from one to another OK, but when I search
>>>>> for another satellite and go back to hotbird or astra which are stored,
>>>>> it wont find them and says no signal, like the dish isnt moving.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any easier boxes to use, Oh and by the way, the dish is up
>>>>> near the guttering of the house, when the dish moves it has free range
>>>>> one way not not the other as it pushes against the guttering. I pointed
>>>>> this out twice and he said its not a problem. Its having a good swing
>>>>> dont get me wrong but if I go west to far it hits the guttering and
>>>>> wont go further.
>>>>>
>>>>> HELP ! Please
>>>> Your satellite man is a prick, total cowboy.
>>>>
>>>> Trij
>>> Well I may go down this route now as I canot seem to set this motor up.
>>> How easy are they to install. If I want for instance 10 satellites,
>>> obviously all the LNB's will be pointing in different directions? How
>>> difficult is it to set up
>>
>> You'll want the bigger dish. It's easy to set-up, but having read your
>> stories, maybe you should get some help!
>> You can only get sats up to 40 degrees apart.
>>
>> trij
>
>Been speaking to someone else on another forum who has the same problems as
>me. He took his FS Ultimate back to maplins for the same reason. As he was
>leaving the store an Asian guy was too taking his back complaining it didnt
>work.
>I have followed instructions given and still no joy. I think the box is
>faulty although Maplins disagree. I take your point though about the help
>thing is here. If its ot a standard SKY dish nobody wants to know
>
>Thanks for the help
>
>
Chuck it back at Maplins and go to Hisat or Wizard satellite or
satellite superstore all of the above have forgotten more then Maplins
will ever know about SATS!.....
--
Tony Sayer

I am going to take the plunge and buy a new box me thinks.

Can someone tell me which of these two is the better deal please.

I am going to get one tomorrow ready for the sat man Thursday and just need
a little advice to see whats better

Ebay item numbers are

220084749390

And

250086957089

thanks again

In article <5564uoF228qjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
Pat <psweeney@riversway.ac.uk> wrote:
> I am going to take the plunge and buy a new box me thinks.

> Can someone tell me which of these two is the better deal please.

> I am going to get one tomorrow ready for the sat man Thursday and just need
> a little advice to see whats better

> Ebay item numbers are

> 220084749390

> And

> 250086957089

> thanks again

Dunno, Pat.. Some like Ebay. Every time I look in I seem
to get followed by loadsa spam - and phoney buyer/seller
contacts from Nigeria, Oz, China, wherever, so tend not to
bother..

You could ring Technomate on: +44 (0)20 8509 6679 and ask
them for further info ) They might also get one of their
latest to you by Thursday - (ring before mid-morning) - and
should be immediately contactable by phone if you need help,
I guess!

Basic box has been around for years, developing each year -
and still collecting the annual top-spot awards.

Good box - up to you whom you are most willing to trust as
your supplier! Remember, your warranty lives with your
supplier (if they're in GB). ..but they all seem to have
good reports...

hh )

Bill ZFC

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